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zuzu86
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am un laptop pe 64 de bit...dar am instalat windows xp pro sp2...merita sa instalez versiunea p e 64 de biti?
am incercat odata...imi placea cum mergea..dar de exemplu la gta sau counter era o viteza in joc...de nu puteam reactiona....mam documentat pe un sit strain si cica am nevoie de win 64 emulator, care permite rulare de aplicatii de 32 biti, fara probleme....care e in cd -ul de win dows 64 bit. dar nu stiu cum sa folosesc programul caci ei au zis ca e un program window to window. va rog sa ma ajutati cu problemele mele.multumesc
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slaiciprian
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in afara de win pe 64biti, mai ai si alte programe pe 64? nu? atunci de ce sa instalezi 64? la jocuri 64 nu te ajuta prea mult, munca nimportanta nu o face procesorul cu placa video.
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zuzu86
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si placa video e on board...ati radeon 200 m.......
am si drivere pe 64 de biti si orgrame...dar daca pun joc....
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ai video on-board? zici ca jucai gta? greu de crezut ca varianta san andreeas. daca vrei performanta in jocuri (vezi ca a aparut demo-ul la nfs - pro street, se pregateste gta 4)), investeste intr-o placa video decenta (pixel shader 3, 256ram, 128 magistrala),
acu cred ca o scoti chiar sub 2 mil, poate chiar 1.5 si vei vedea un maaare plus de performanta.
la intrebarea ta nu prea raspunde nimeni, deoarece nu prea au multi 64, nu prea are avantaje, dar are dezavantaje.
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alex_climente
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Poti sa-mi dai mai multe detalii despre laptop ?
Ce marca este?
Ce procesor are si cat RAM + hard disk?
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zuzu86
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da.....e amd athlon64 la 3400+, 512 DDRAM 2, 60 hdd, dvd inscriptor, video de 128,,,cativa sunt share de la rami....cam asta e specificul. efujitsu siemens 
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zuzu86
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poi...eu de aia am dat bani mai multi pe el..ca sa am avantaje..NU dezavantaje...ma sperii...ce dezavantaje?jucam gta real....si jocul avea viteza mare....nici nu prea puteam reactiona....la fel in conter no steam...nu apucam sa tintesc botii...ma chillareau.... dar am discutat cu unii de pe microsoft...si ete programu asta...dar e inclus in cdul de instalare al windowsului64 dar ma atentionat ca e un program window to window. deci parca simteau ei ca nu ma descurc. apropo...am un cd deskupdate...cu driverele de la laptop...el investigheaza componenta si imi instaleaza driverele...surpriza...pe wiindows 64 nu a mai mers....nu avea drierele....de pe alt calc amluat de pe net drivere pe 64
le am toate..dar vreau sa rezolv si problema cu win64 emulator, altfel nu imi pun wni 64. doar daca imi pun inca ceva rami si pun vista on 64..are un var...nu stiu cum se descurca el...ca nu il mai gasesc pe net. intrebare....alta  sa imi iau o placa video sau imi cumpar ceva mai multi rami si dau share la placa video...deci eu vreau sa mearga tot cu laptopu asta...de exemplu nu a putut juca battlefield 2 ca imi mergea greu.cum sa fac?
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alex_climente
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Pai stai o secunda...daca iti cumperi placa video unde o pui?
Eu am pe laptop aceeasi placa video si sunt foarte multumit de ea dar pe de alta parte nici nu imi bag jocuri care sa o "frece"
Iti recomand sa iti mai cumperi niste RAM , eu am 1 giga si cred ca o sa-mi mai cumpar unul .
Daca o faci ,iti recomand sa mergi cu laptopul la magazin sau sa-i faci o poza Ram-ului sa o arati acolo ca nu toate tipurile merg pe acelasi calculator
Cat despre Windows 64 biti sunt curios si eu ... ce am auzit este ca Windowsul merge intr-adevar mult mai bine.Astept si eu niste informatii in plus ca si tine
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slaiciprian
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la placa video nu ramii conteaza cel mai mult, conteaza magistrala de memorie, acum tre' sa fie pixel shader cat mai mare sa nu te trezesti ca un joc nu vrea ca asa i-au zis producatorii, nu ca nu ar putea.
parerea mea. degeaba ai 1giga de ram, cand ai o placa video cu 64.
e ca si cum ai avea mertan cu motor de dacie. toate componentele pc-ului trebuie sa fie echilibrate intre ele.
porneste task managerul, joaca, dupa aceea vezi la peak care a fost consumul maxim de memorie. daca ai depasit substantial cei 512 ai tai, merita un upgrade. dar cu gta 3 nu cred ca ai atins macar maximul tau de memorie.
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zuzu86
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la FEAR cred ca a m atins maxim...caci lam instalat....apoi lam pornit sa joc...imi apare un ecran negru si atat!dar in rest no problem...am dus capatul la carbon  am sa ma mai interesez despre win64 emulator si am sa postez daca reusesc
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zuzu86
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cum aflu ce magistrala are???
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zuzu86
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uite ce am mai gasit..dar e in engleza: WOW64 Implementation Details
The WOW64 emulator runs in user mode, provides an interface between the 32-bit version of Ntdll.dll and the kernel of the processor, and it intercepts kernel calls. The emulator consists of the following DLLs:
Wow64.dll provides the core emulation infrastructure and the thunks for the Ntoskrnl.exe entry-point functions.
Wow64Win.dll provides thunks for the Win32k.sys entry-point functions.
Wow64Cpu.dll provides x86 instruction emulation on Itanium processors. It executes mode-switch instructions on the processor. This DLL is not necessary for x64 processors because they execute x86-32 instructions at full clock speed.
Along with the 64-bit version of Ntdll.dll, these are the only 64-bit binaries that can be loaded into a 32-bit process.
At startup, Wow64.dll loads the x86 version of Ntdll.dll and runs its initialization code, which loads all necessary 32-bit DLLs. Almost all 32-bit DLLs are unmodified copies of 32-bit Windows binaries. However, some of these DLLs are written to behave differently on WOW64 than they do on 32-bit Windows, usually because they share memory with 64-bit system components. All user mode address space above the 32-bit limits (2 GB for most applications, 4 GB for applications marked with the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE flag in the image header) is reserved by the system.
Instead of using the x86 system-service call sequence, 32-bit binaries that make system calls are rebuilt to use a custom calling sequence. This new sequence is inexpensive for WOW64 to intercept because it remains entirely in user mode. When the new calling sequence is detected, the WOW64 CPU transitions back to native 64-bit mode and calls into Wow64.dll. Thunking is done in user mode to reduce the impact on the 64-bit kernel, and to reduce the risk of a bug in the thunk that causes a kernel-mode crash, data corruption, or a security hole. The thunks extract arguments from the 32-bit stack, extend them to 64 bits, then make the native system call.
Environment Variables
Environment variables are changed for compatibility when a 32-bit process is created by a 64-bit process, or when a 64-bit process is created by a 32-bit process. WOW64 changes the following environment variables.
Environment Variable 64-bit Value 32-bit Value
PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE Native (AMD64 or IA64) x86
PROCESSOR_ARCHITEW6432 N/A %PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE%
ProgramFiles %ProgramFiles% %ProgramFiles(x86)%
ProgramW6432 N/A %ProgramFiles%
CommonProgramFiles %CommonProgramFiles% %CommonProgramFiles(x86)%
CommonProgramW6432 N/A %CommonProgramFiles%
Global Hooks
SetWindowsHookEx can be used to inject a DLL into another process. A 32-bit DLL cannot be injected into a 64-bit process, and a 64-bit DLL cannot be injected into a 32-bit process. If an application requires the use of hooks in other processes, a 32-bit application must call SetWindowsHookEx to inject a 32-bit DLL into 32-bit processes, and a 64-bit application must call SetWindowsHookEx to inject a 64-bit DLL into 64-bit processes. Also, the 32-bit and 64-bit DLLs must have different names.
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zuzu86
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si am o rectificare...programuul se numeste wow 64 emulatro nu win cum spusesem
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WOW64 is the x86 emulator that allows 32-bit Windows-based applications to run on 64-bit Windows.
WOW64 launches and runs 32-bit applications seamlessly. The system isolates 32-bit applications from 64-bit applications, which includes preventing file and registry collisions. Console, GUI, and service applications are supported. The system provides interoperability across the 32/64 boundary for scenarios such as cut and paste and COM. However, 32-bit processes cannot load 64-bit DLLs, and 64-bit processes cannot load 32-bit DLLs.
A 32-bit application can detect whether it is running under WOW64 by calling the IsWow64Process function. The application can obtain additional information about the processor by using the GetNativeSystemInfo function.
For more information about the features and limitations of WOW64, see the following topics:
Performance and Memory Consumption
WOW64 Implementation Details
Registry Redirector
File System Redirector
Memory Management
Processor Affinity
Interprocess Communication
Application Installation
Debugging WOW64
Note that 64-bit Windows does not support running 16-bit Windows-based applications. The primary reason is that handles have 32 significant bits on 64-bit Windows. Therefore, handles cannot be truncated and passed to 16-bit applications without loss of data. Attempts to launch 16-bit applications fail with the following error: ERROR_BAD_EXE_FORMAT.
pentru mai multe informatii acesati linkul asta de unde am luat suportul
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gaijin
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Din pacate ai primit sfaturi la cumparare de la vanzator (parerea mea). In loc de procesor pe 64 mai bine cereai o placa video decenta.
Procesor pe 64 + sistem de operare pe 64 + aplicatii pe 64 = eficienta sporita
Daca scoti oricare element din ecuatie obtii doar paguba.
Verifica cartea tehnica sa vezi daca exista un port AGP sau PCI-E. Daca este, poti merge cu laptopul inapoi la vanzator, cumperi o placa video compatibila si le ceri sa o instaleze.
P.S.: data viitoare cere sfaturi de la persoane dezinteresate inainte de a cumpara ceva ce nu cunosti. De exemplu, aici pe forum. Altii au facut-o.
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The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do.
The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do.
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Drambales
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off topic : zuzu86 vezi ca exista butonul Modificati..incearca sa nu mai faci duplu, triplu, cvadruplu-posting...
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slaiciprian
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nu cred ca a primit sfaturi rele. pur si simplu nu prea mai exista procesoare pe 32. si cel mai amarat sempron din magazin acum se lauda ca e pe 64. poate o sa vina si momentul cand vor putea fi folosite eficient. deocamdata nu e.
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